To commemorate
the 15th anniversary of the premiere of
X-Men on the Fox Kids Network on Saturday, October
31, 1992, Blast From the Past recently had the
opportunity to interview Eric Lewald, the
Executive Story Editor on the X-Men series.
BFTP: What exactly was your
role on the show and how did you become involved with
it?
EL: My final credits for
the show were: "Developed for Television By" and
"Executive Story Editor." Translated to English,
that meant that I was asked to come up with the
"Show Bible" (which lays out the series for business
partners like Fox and Marvel, and which is used by the
series screenwriters as a writer's guide) and then "showrun"
the series. This meant that I was responsible to
the Fox Network (through Sidney) and the production
companies (Saban/Graz) and to the rights holder (Marvel)
for all the written material. I, or the writers I
chose and supervised, came up with all of the story
ideas, developed those to full outlines, then expanded
them to 22-minute scripts. At any stage along the
way, my bosses could weigh in with concerns or ideas,
but in the end, the writing was my responsibility.
From Fox (Sidney and Broadcast Standards), this
oversight was constant and detailed. Marvel's
interest waxed and waned, though they were primarily
looking for mistakes ("Not right for this character")
rather than story micro-managing. Stan Lee, though
not formally with Marvel at the time, had thoughtful
notes on the first eight or nine scripts. Saban
and Graz were only interested in our keeping the
production within budget.
I owe the job to Sidney
Iwanter, the executive at Fox. I had worked with
him a few years earlier, then had just edited 20 "Beetlejuice"
scripts for him for Fox. I believe he "sold" me to
the Fox president, Margaret Loesch, who had been working
for ten years to get X-Men on the air and who, as
President of Fox Kids, was in overall charge of the
project.
BFTP:
Many of the storylines
featured on the series were adapted directly from the
comics. How familiar were you with the source material
beforehand and how close were you required to follow it
in your scripts?
EL:
While we worked very hard to keep “the
spirit of the books,” the majority of the 76 episodes
were new for the series. We and Marvel also realized
early on that 22-minute animated stories are a very
different animal than comic books. Time the actual
action in a book and you get about 3 minutes. Longer
series of books (Phoenix, Dark Phoenix, etc.) leant
themselves more to adaptation, but there we had to deal
with the various secondary plots that weave in and out
of the main story in a series of a dozen books. Some
fit. Some didn’t (weren’t there leprechauns
somewhere?). For example, if you were to compare the
actual “Phoenix” books to the animation story, I’d wager
that about 50% of the original was trimmed away to focus
on the core story.
As far as knowing the books – I
learned, quickly, on the job. When I read comics as a
kid in the late 60s, I liked Marvel, but X-Men
wasn’t a favorite book. I had huge help in this:
Director/Producer Will Meugniot was a comics freak, as
was Producer Larry Houston. Some of the writers (Bob
Skir comes to mind) knew the books almost too
well. I begged Marvel for every bit of research
material and old books and ended up reading most of the
30 years’ worth. In the end, the key for the writers
and for me was the same as in any series – know and care
about the characters.
BFTP:
How intimately involved was Marvel Comics in the
writing process?
EL:
Marvel was involved start to finish, heavily the
first few months, then less and less as we went along.
They learned to trust us, and we learned better and
better how to make sure our stories fit their
“universe.” Bob Harras was my contact from the start,
and he was not only amazingly supportive, he knew every
detail of X-Men history, so he always had answers
to my questions. From about episode 40 onward a senior
Marvel executive named Joe Calamari became more involved
in overseeing the scripts, more form a story POV than
character history. His instincts were tremendous.
Marvel was going through some rough business times
around then, so I was lucky to have such a smooth
relationship with them.
BFTP: Was an entire series
worth of episodes thought out and written before any of
them were animated, or would you write a script, get it
approved, and then send it off to be animated? For
instance, the first season of the series started with
the X-Men losing to the Sentinels at the Mutant Control
Agency and ended full circle with them destroying
Mastermold, the source of the Sentinel robots. How
difficult would it have been to edit some scripts for
episodes during the middle of the season if you had to
go back to ensure that all loose ends and storylines
were developed through the season and tied up before the
end? (I assume the same would also apply for multi-part
story arcs like the Phoenix Saga).
EL:
Animation takes a long time – many months from a
completed script to when an episode is ready to view.
This can be frustrating. We have to write 13 or 26 or
even 40 episodes of a series (depending on the order for
the “season”) before we see how they work. In
live-action TV, you can see a roughly completed episode
1 before you finish writing episode 2, so you can
adjust. In animation, we have to trust what we hope
will get produced. X-Men was done in chunks.
The first season order was 13, standard for a network
show. You noticed that the Sentinel story wrapped up at
episode 13 (Mastermold), and that was because we weren’t
at all sure there would be more than 13. In fact, given
the previous weak track record of Marvel animated
adaptations, there was great fear that X-Men
would fail. You can’t blame the people who were risking
the money for being nervous about producing 13 of
something before they had a clue if people would like
it. (We had great pressure during the initial writing
to make it funnier and “younger,” but all of us on the
creative side fought this.) Luckily, when the first
season became a #1 hit, they immediately ordered 39
more. After that, it came in bits and pieces. Also,
the fact that the first 13 “progressed” was a fight we
had to make, since TV producers and networks like to
have individual episodes that aren’t in any order (like
“Law & Order) for easier re-selling or pre-empting.
After the first 13, however, almost the only real
connected progressions were in multi-part episodes.
BFTP:
Was there any point in the series where you decided you
would possibly expand the team roster? Episodes
throughout its run with Colossus, Morph, and
Nightcrawler, for instance, hinted that the option was
always open.
EL:
The idea of the core roster of
characters was crucial to the series from the first day
of pre-production. With dozens of mutants to choose
from, we needed to decide early what the best mix was.
Marvel was central to this discussion. There were some
no-brainers, like Professor X, Scott and Jean, and
Wolverine. But beyond that, any out of a couple dozen
major mutants could have filled out the rest of the
core. We had to keep the number of leads down to a
manageable seven or eight. (If you think about favorite
TV shows, when the cast gets to big, people get lost.)
So who? Storm’s weather powers were great for TV.
Rogue had an emotional draw for us (unable to touch),
and her flight and strength helped in big fights. We
needed a “kid”, and Marvel was higher on Jubilee than
the alternatives. Gambit was a Marvel choice, perhaps
for balance, perhaps because they had hopes for him.
Morph wasn’t considered a
core character. We added him specifically to have a
sympathetic best-friend-of-Wolverine’s to be killed in
the opening. He only appeared in a couple of books. (I
may have dug him up, I don’t remember). In fact, in the
books, the character was named “Changeling.” We were
forced to come up with a new name because there was a
D.C. character with that name. Even though Marvel’s
Changeling pre-dated D.C.’s, the nervous lawyers made us
make the switch. Anyhow, Morph proved so popular, and
it was a month-long struggle to be allowed to have him
killed (and I believe Sidney may have helped make a deal
with Broadcast Standards) that we were, to my complete
surprise, asked to bring him back again after the first
13 episodes.
BFTP:
Where there any mutants from the comics that you look
back at now and wish you had written an episode about?
EL:
To be honest, there was always a tension between
adding characters as guests and spending time with the
core ones we had to develop them more deeply. There
were writers who knew and loved unused characters from
the books and were anxious to give them new life on TV.
(A good example is Len Wein, the actual co-creator of
Wolverine in the books, who lobbied to get a Captain
America story in, which had to be a flashback.) My
motivations were always: who makes for the best story?
If a guest could bring out something special in a core
character – like Cyclops’ father, who abandoned him,
showing up – I was excited to use him. But I was less
interested in the guest’s powers than in his or her
personal relationship to one of our leads.
BFTP:
How were you able to take complex social issues such as
prejudice, intolerance, isolation, racism, and religion
and translate them into a format suitable for a Saturday
morning program?
EL:
I was the luckiest man on the planet. Sidney wanted
me to tackle serious themes; the Standards executive
(Avery Coburn) understood and let us push things; and
the X-Men franchise, particularly the 70s books,
was really about a bunch of adults having adult personal
crises. As I mentioned before, we got serious pressure
to “simplify” or “make it younger.” But the moment the
first 13 episodes debuted to huge ratings, the
complaints vanished. We were able to do the next 63
with little creative interference.
BFTP:
The X-Men guest-starred on Spider-Man the Animated
Series during its second season. Were there ever
any plans to do the same on X-Men with Spider-Man
or any other Marvel superhero?
EL:
Those
kind of crossovers are always fun. Because they were
both Fox series, Sidney asked me to help showrunner John
Semper supervise the two-part Spider-Man/X-Men
crossover. But no, since there were hundreds of
characters already in the X-Men universe, the
temptation to grab from other books wasn’t very strong.
BFTP:
Did you ever write any episodes that never made it past
the preproduction stages?
EL:
I was so busy trying to keep the whole
project going in the right direction that there wasn’t
much time to assign myself any scripts. Of course
almost every revision made to the premises, outlines,
and scripts was up to me, so I feel like there is lot of
my writing in there. Often we would be lucky, and the
notes from various partners were light, and the writer
really nailed the script. But if there were problems –
including the occasional page-one rewrite – that was on
me. The one script I did write from start to finish was
“A Deal with the Devil.” That happened because another
script (which I had liked) was tossed out by Fox and
Marvel. They never really “got” the original story, but
I pushed to let the writer finish. So, since we had
paid the writer for all his work, but now had no script,
I had to come up with one for free by myself (no extra
money in the budget). Finally, most of the writers were
friends, so I always felt close to the writing. You’ll
notice that there were a good 20 writing credits for the
name “Edens” – Mark or Michael. Since these guys are
writing-partner buddies from college, it was very much a
family affair.
BFTP:
Are you particularly proud of one specific episode?
EL: There are a few, though it’s hard to remember
after over ten years. My wife Julia came up with the
idea for “Beauty and the Beast,“ where Beast falls for a
blind girl who regains her sight (a bit of a “City
Lights” homage). I was fascinated by the fact that,
though Beast was the strangest looking of all of the
principal X-Men, he was the most at ease with and
reconciled to his mutancy. What would it take for him
to lose his composure and struggle with his fate?
Caring for someone who has never seen him, but soon
would, seemed a perfect set-up to explore his
character. I was also pleased with “Storm Front,” where
we set up Storm to feel alienated by her mutancy, then
look to a charming man to take her away from it all –
only to discover he was evil. And I liked “One Man’s
Worth” because it hit the theme of a single person’s
(Xavier’s) effect on the world around him. Of course
Len Uhley’s story that introduced Nightcrawler will
always be a favorite – the idea that we could explore
characters’ religious faith on Saturday morning was
wonderful.
BFTP:
Multiple production delays with the animation overseas
prevented some episodes from airing in their original
production order, such as ‘Longshot’ and ‘No Mutant is
and Island’, and often confused viewers as to where they
should have been placed in the series. Is there an
‘official’ list of the episodes in their original,
intended order?
EL:
The list on the IMDB shows the 76 air
dates, but you’re right, a couple were delayed. I have
a list of the original production numbers (the order
they were assigned), but really, the only order
intended was numbers 1-13 -- with an ongoing parallel
plot with Xavier (a minute a two an episode) in 14-26.
After that, the only real intended ordering had to do
with multi-part stories. Sidney and Fox originally
planned on “ending” the series with a big bang (“Beyond
Good and Evil – parts 1-4”). We even had planned to
have characters leaving the team at the conclusion. But
then they asked for eleven more episodes, so we “ended”
things again with “Graduation Day.”
BFTP:
The final episode in the series’ Graduation Day’
provided a nice way to culminate everything from the
series and tie it all together. Was the idea for such a
script always written in the back of your mind or was it
put together knowing that the series was cancelled?
Obviously, the style of animation indicates that it’s
from the final season, but the actual script could have
been written at any time.
EL:
As indicated above, this story was crated
specifically to say goodbye to the series. It had been
ordered in weird chunks of episodes (13-39-13-6-5), but
this time we were all sure it was the end.
BFTP:
How was Beast decided to be the one who would be
captured at the Mutant Control Agency? Obviously you
didn’t want to choose someone like Wolverine since he
would have missed most of the season.
EL:
There were two principal reasons we chose
Beast to be captured. The first, believe it or not, was
that in preparing for the first season (1-13), we hadn’t
included Beast as one of the core characters. So, since
he was a “guest” or secondary character, we felt he
could be off-screen a lot. (After writing the first 13,
Beast so grew on us all that we asked that he be added
to the core group, and everyone agreed.) The other
reason came down to his character. Beast is so
articulate that he works beautifully in a court scene.
And he is so reasonable and likable, it’s hard for the
prosecution to make him out to be a monster. (If
Wolverine were on the stand, a reasonable judge might
think it wise to lock him up.)
BFTP:
The
beauty of the X-Men series is that there are a ton of
different characters and thus, it's easy for someone to
identify with at least one of the mutants. Which mutant
do you think is the most like you and why?
EL:
It’s odd, but after 15 years I’d never thought about
this. The writers and I had to imagine ourselves as
each character so we could write them well (writing
Wolverine after a big creative fight was easy). I am
not generally an angry guy, and I can be a little
bookish, so Beast comes to mind. But Professor X cared
for and felt in charge of a disparate group of mutants
at the same time that I was trying to coordinate a dozen
different writers, many of them my friends, so Xavier
may be a better choice.
BFTP:
Despite premiering 15 years ago, X-Men is still the
longest cartoon series based on characters from Marvel
Comics. Why do you think it was so successful?
EL:
The set-up and the characters. First, you have a
classic heroic situation where your protagonists are
dedicated, self-sacrificing, and painfully misunderstood
and persecuted. Balancing and adding to this was the
fact that they were such different people that they
could drive each other crazy. A big problem in TV
storytelling, especially in “kids” programming, is that
everybody is too similar or gets along too well. (I’ve
received notes like that from lesser programming
executives: “Why do the characters have to argue about
stuff?”) The X-Men characters have deep personal
concerns that put them at odds with one another, yet
they obviously care deeply about each other. We can
thank Stan for the template, and Stan and a few dozen
others for making it grow into something special.
BFTP: Do you have
anything you would like to say to long-time fans of the
show?
EL:
Thanks for watching. We writers work
pretty much in isolation. It’s always gratifying to
discover that we have an audience. It helps make the
effort worthwhile.
Blast From the Past
would like to thank Eric for taking the time to answer
our questions.
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